in fact im so upset that this fantasy runs into my real life, my boss fired me for my attitude. I'm living the definition of insanity. Ask away. That is a decision only you can make for yourself. It could be one sentence: "This quote does not intend to literally 'define' the word insane.". The town's inhabitants possess a terrible past they want to keep secret, by violent means if necessary. People often 'repeat the same thing expecting a different result.' You have taken this off-topic and have used your anonymity to boost your bravado. And they're doing the same thing every day, hoping for some measure of progress. Are you insane? Trying to make it idiomatic towards something that he has little knowledge of. Yes. For you see everything in life is interpreted by each person with their own thoughts. Q6) Can you tell us more about the specific methodologies that you apply to reach your "scientific conclusion"? "Insanity" with regards to this quote then also depends on this. A persistent quest against a fear or toward a goal is often the best course of action. I don't even know how I came across this article today, or why I read it or your comment, other than to possibly give you some engouragement and insight as to what I have come to discover in the last year. Perseverance: steady persistence in a course of action in spite of difficulties, obstacles, or discouragement. I hope you enjoy friendly ribbing! This article is straight up pointless. If you think something 'magical' is going to arise from no progress, then good luck saving lives. Can we not do this anywhere though? Hang in there mate. Most of modern theoritical, quantum (and classic) physics would have been abandoned some time ago if we could not prove the negative of the expected result. Every situation is different and must be evaluate for its validity and application. Where did this saying come from? (if he would just do what I tell him.) This is a limited edition. http://www.DrJenniferHoward.com. Perseverance in failed behavior is not. I mean, really? Don't let a quaint saying blur this distinction. I think this article hits the nail on the head. If you repeat the exact same behavior you will not be following the scientific method, which is to try different things and see what happens. You need to listen to your heart. Without inside understanding the outsider labels the behaviour insane when it quite clearly isn't. people where they always feel left out. But if you suck at being hired (improper decorum, weird manners, or something people just don't like about you), setting yourself up for a cycle of abuse is not a healthy solution. A typical example would be a guy who desired closeness with his emotionally unavailable mother as a child and therefore seeks out unavailable women in his adulthood. when i click on the link for perseveration i see a lot of definitions with words like "uncontrollable" and "involuntary" and "inability". Now if I eat a cake because I feel rubbish and that leads me to feel better for 5 minutes and worse for the rest of the time and I keep doing it daily, year after year, expecting each time that it might comfort me when all evidence shows it's ruining my life..I may lose ,y health which will lead me maybe to lose my job etc.. The use of proven facts makes this saying completely legit. And someone in your profession should know that better than anyone else. Proven is the key word there that was left completely out of the article and is readily assumed by anyone using the quote properly. 4) You did not address even ONE item the writer presented and instead generalized "This article is complete garbage." At the end of the day, I still believe this "quaint expression" has merit. There's also the psychodynamic construct called repetition compulsion where people unconsciously repeat past conflicts in an attempt at mastery. Commentators here have used Edison's experiments as example, things that by their very nature require accuracy in their miniature. This does NOT mean I should stop trying to lose weight -- what it means is that I need a new approach. If you don't learn what you are told in school and do what they tell you, you will never get a job, you will never amount to anything without a degree. For the real issues facing unemployed workers, adjusting one’s outlook by well intended self-help speeches, is like giving a tire wrench to an Eskimo that needs to find a fish to eat. The fact of the matter is, it IS complete insanity in business to keep doing the same failed method expecting a different result. I understand that you believe my example of Edison repeating the same experiment using different combinations makes it an "absolutely terrible example" and thus I am an idiot. I've started hearing people use it in the service of avoidance, which is a defense mechanism. That doesn't mean other definitions of the word used out of court are inaccurate. Someone can tell you that you are wrong but at the same time they are wrong to someone else. Yes I DO "think" and RESEARCH... and No Edison did not "do the exact same experiment" using the "exact same combinations"!!! While if you were an addict and believe me, that definition makes clear sense. I do however hate this quote and thank the author for if nothing else bringing the spotlight of debate to its existence and reasoning. Listen to then energies of the planet through meditation. Not trying to be accurate in their definition. And then, "the definition of insanity" may arise. Rather than facing their fears, they grab on to this saying for protection against possible failure, pain or rejection. But there's no sense trying the same thing over again. Nothing! However why can we not use the argument of humans flying as above? May every day that you live be blessed with love and grace. And it's different for every person. You see with the standard human view on time you aren't even in my world at the same time as I am in yours, for I am writing this at a different time than you are reading it. Figure out what you are doing wrong, and do it right. Should You Worry About How Delusional You Are? If so it would mean you are continuing to treat patients with a PROVEN failed method. Insanity? Should I expect the outcome to be different this time? Is this 'AssumptiveToday.com' or 'PsychologyToday.com'? I totally agree with everything you said in your comment. I agree 100% with this reply. Bad Day at Black Rock is a 1955 film, which combines elements of Westerns and film noir, about a one-armed stranger who comes to a small town. Any time you stand in line at the D.M.V. It appears to be great for lecturers whipping up a crowd, or to say to get an article published nowadays, but for many people, especially those like me the unemployed kind of like to hear this stuff. You have been programmed from birth to think and feel a certain way about everything in life. It's informed by mental health professionals, but the term today is primarily legal, not psychological. Have you given much thought to that communication, reasoning and critical thinking process you have! Were you downsized, new graduate with student debt, ... And now I have just seen that your comment was three years ago! Mike Lowrey: It's $105,000 and this happens to be one of the fastest production cars on the planet. what might have been much more helpful, and not made me think so poorly of an author i have never met, would be to combine this and the other phrase bash that was linked to in the beginning and talk about the problem of people who grasp anything to misuse in their issues, from word and phrases, to people and beliefs. You are an idiot. THIS here is the definition of insanity: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nXjcMlX8oE. So now you know what the actual definition is, this shouldn't be too hard for you to figure out what is insanity. I was just wondering what all you people are worrying about...Not that I have the slightest idea...I hold no truck with silence. So, you aren't using common sense. On the other hand I try to speak very gently to my 3 year old daughter over and over again regardless of her sane or insane state of mind expecting that one day she would understand that being mad at things would never resolve issues, but again, this is education and that is not changing anything in her behavior, at least for now, she is 3 year old and I expect her to be nothing less or more than what she is. I don't think that the person who said it was trying to bash perseverance, nor do I believe they were trying to indicate the true definition of the word "insane." It's not a "simple concept". Questioner may say, as does Dr. Phil, "so how's that workin' out for you?" Well said... John, Phrenology, Criminal Insanity, Marshmallows: Cheiron, Day 1, Connectivity of Brain Regions Matters More Than Once Thought. Furthermore how do we even delineate it? And, yes, that was a random absurd example, but my point is that I think I may understand a little of what you were saying. You truely need to forget everything that you were lead to believe and start to discover the truth on your own. "Listen here old bean, we've been trying to build these 'flying contraptions' for quite some time now, you keep expecting to fly but even that euro chap Da Vinci couldn't crack it so lets bin this folly and really get stuck in to this phrenology marvel"!! Leave it to a shrink to complicate a simple and effective concept. i think the only important point made in this acticle is : if you're surrounded by a bunch of people who get all uptight about a simple idiom be sure to phrase is it "two of the definitions of insanity are doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results (and probably the third but again don't really feel like figuring out an example)". it didn't happen at first which bothered me, so i wasn't paying attention to what i was doing and didn't finish my tasks for the day. Our local sheriffs department is charging people around here with "insane and disorderly". "I keep telling him to go to AA." This page was last edited on 3 February 2021, at 15:53. and look around, you're like, Oh, my God, I wish all these people were replaced by computer drivers. Dreams have been described as dress rehearsals for real life, opportunities to gratify wishes, and a form of nocturnal therapy. What he suggested is unnatural for many people, plowing ahead despite failures. How can the Sheriffs deputies charge someone with being "insane" without at least a cursory objective conclusion of a trained psychological professional? Marc Andreessen . it is commendable that we as human beings try to continually simplify things and explain them away, but this should not be one of them, it takes a little more nuance and thought. Q7) Would you like us to understand the fear you that makes you hide behind the name "Anonymous2"? While stipulating that Einstein perhaps didn't say it, if he did he was commenting on the then-new & controversial theories in Quantum Physics, which all include what's known as a Probability Function, basically obliterating what had been universally-accepted science. I hear this every week, sometimes twice a day: "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results." Einsteins experiments in time/space would be a classic example, it just seems impossible to the human brain to accept that...only by repeatedly proving that it is in fact the case have we been able to extrapolate out from the theory. Try another path, see what works, this is sanity. I'm pretty sure Einstein came way before you did so I guess I believe that with the psychologists are saying insanity is totally wrong Einstein was the one that came up with what do you call someone that does the same thing over and over again and expect different results and besides you guys can't even help a depressed people so give me a break you guys know s*** and your definition of normal is garbage go back to school and learn some history before making up your own crap thank you for reading thank you for listening and thanks for posting that question yours truly your friend Jason, You're absolutely right. It's not clear who said it first, but according to at least one blogger it's "the dumbest thing a smart person ever said." What you mean you don't have one? As a therapist, when I hear these statements I can collude with the protective bubble of the socially accepted catch phrase or challenge it. You will always be a part of it as it will always be a part of you. There is a desire to stop, but stopping doesn't feel like an option. When you leave no stone unturned in life’s problem, not only does it usually transform but you feel great satisfaction and empowered in the pursuit. When the first person says: "For as long as we've been married, 23 years!" It’s an open invitation. The same can be said for whatever created you. I know it will happen. The rest has been shown to you and told to you through those around you. You were no longer protected by your mothers body and that which once shielded your from sound and litteraly supported your every cell. Some medications or CBT tools may prove helpful. From my perspective, I look upon him with the innocence of a fresh-laid egg. Was the air humidity constant in Edison's lab every time, were chemicals from the same country/source/factory/batch/bottle, were they kept in exactly the same conditions, exposed to the same amount of air...for the same amount of time, at the same temperature or by the same person? Thank you for your response to this article. today i went to work because i knew that it would happen. The definition of insanity has nothing to do with a lack of common sense. They take your basic survival instincts and use them against you to get you to conform to what they think should be right and wrong. If you think differently, I'm sorry but your medical degree would have been better written on toilet paper. Insanity is trying to change people through means that have been shown NOT to work. Resistance can be overcome, but outright failure usually is a cue that something is wrong about the approach. So if I (or we) understand you correctly: We’re made to grow. When we get down far enough almost everything is immensely variable and therefore 'technically' you are not doing the same thing. You love everything by instinct. And yes it is specific & explicit that under precisely exact initial conditions, multiple valid outcomes will occur as the experiment is repeated. Edison's "thousands of failed experiments" would only support your argument of people often repeating the same thing expecting a different result if Edison had tried the exact same experiment in the exact same conditions over and over again. Do You Have a Fear of Commitment? I think your military is scared. Q5) you would like us to agree that your of me being an "idiot" is a valid logical implication of your "scientific conclusion" and not a part-to-whole fallacy of division label? The qualities of perseverance, consistency, loyalty - these are beneficial to health and definitely not insane. This is a thoughtful and informative blog. not to make money and pay bills and all that. You need to remember that though we live on the same planet, no two human beings live in the same world. Mr. Anonymous2? I'm trying hard to keep an open mind, reading and studying positive psychology and uplifting messages that try to give hope and understanding, but its getting harder and harder to hear. I think it can be extended to human behaviors when people do things harmful to themselves despite all evidence that they should stop doing it. Please feel free to take it as you will for I am not trying to push anything on you or anyone else, as I know everyone is different and different things work for different people. Or extreme foolishness or irrationality. You Grow. (Think in terms of marketing and advertising a business the same way in 2011 as someone did in 1950, ain't gonna get similar results, likewise, if you try to motivate someone who is 50 years old the same way you did when you hired them 20 years ago, chances are you will not be successful and create a negative, unmotivated employee). 0 to 60 in 4 seconds, sweetie. When met with the examples above, I'll challenge. But did she make a point? Perseverance is a strong, valuable quality. The only way for us to realize this is to lose everything that we have, for until you have nothing you can not truely realize that you have everything. Really dude? You should definitely have something to do, just as you should definitely have someone to love in life. What's happened is that a famous person (Einstein) made a statement and people have been quoting it for generations, without realizing that what they are saying simply ISN'T true. I want to be better. As for the quote "The definition of insanity is...," I was an addict(Cocaine, Pot) for many years. Journalists claiming it a 'fact' to prove a point or underline their story without question for example. When I got clean 23 years ago I was told "The definition of insanity is". The fact of the matter is, it IS complete insanity in business to keep doing the same failed method expecting a different result. yesterday i went to work knowing it would happen. This thinking happens everytime an addict of any description uses and ADDICTION IS A LEADING CAUSE OF DEATH. By dealing directly with the fears and anxiety the behaviors can often, at the very least, soften. The truth is that we draw that line and it is a line that is subjective. 'The definition of the word insanity could be doing the same thing and expecting a different result' This definition is actually referring to compulsive behaviours and orginates from Alcoholics Anonymous. tomorrow, im going to work. !How are you now!!?? So never interrupt me. "Anything else would be uncivilized"! If it makes anyone feel better, I'm sure insanity, in it's "true" definition doesn't exist in the real world anyway. "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results." I think you both however fall into the trap of only looking at 'change' or 'new/positive' results as a "result" so to speak. because i know if i do, stephen king will bring my book. and if you feel the need to berate me for my grammar feel free. Ad Hominem fallacy? That's smart. Feel good psychology, is starting to wear thin. There isn't a need to delve into this any further. Dogged determination might not yield results, because the methods are wrong. You have taken this quote too literally. Winston Churchill, "you don't think that Edison did the exact same experiment thousands of times using the exact same combinations and formulas while seeking a different result, do you?" It is not insane to completely rule something out by repeatedly doing the same thing and expecting a different result. The content of this field is kept private and will not be shown publicly. The author is trying to address the misuse of the word "insanity.". THAT'S the original intent of the quote. Bravo!!! People are so bad at driving cars that computers don't have to be that good to be much better. Here's the first sentence of law.com's lengthy definition: Insanity. I would be all those too if that is how my mind worked. Perhaps I should try joining Weight Watchers, attending group sessions, and establish a program of rewarding myself for desired behavior on a weekly basis with some small treat? Edison tried thousands of combinations, which is the exact opposite of "repeating the same thing", which was Khazeem's entire point. No, you're an idiot because the example you used to try to prove your point actually contradicts it, and when Khazeem called you out on it, you said he would have to "eat his own words" and went off on some rant that only further contradicted your point. It simply goes against the fact of the matter. Of course we know that by trying different machines of flight, failing or succeeding and learning these lessons we advanced, so we can argue that as we delve down levels we can then find a level where the same processes weren't repeated over and over and therefore this doesn't qualify? Launch your own business and do freelance work. Edison used SEVERAL problem-solving methods ("combinations") which is what helped him progress instead of being some kind of worker drone on an assembly line or some kind of non-researching confirmation biased assumer! No, it isn't. (And no transistors, smart phones etc without Quantum Physics btw). 2) The extrapolation of "If you are treating patients using transorbital lobotomy". Melvin Udall: Well, I work all the time. Bad Day at Black Rock is a 1955 film, which combines elements of Westerns and film noir, about a one-armed stranger who comes to a small town.The town's inhabitants possess a terrible past they want to keep secret, by violent means if necessary. Or someone who is drawn to crowds of wealthier/smarter/prettier/etc. Perseveration feels compulsive, hopeless, helpless, automatic and unsatisfying. When You Want Sex, but Not with Your Partner, Psychology Today © 2021 Sussex Publishers, LLC, Why Feeling Grateful Could Lead to Questionable Behavior, Scientists Can Communicate With Lucid Dreamers While They Sleep, Your Mental Health May Affect Your Vaccine Response, The Complex Reasons Why Some Refuse to Wear a Mask.

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